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[faeychild]

Today I plugged in a flash memory stick which shows up in the 'Places"
panel in Dolphin under removable devices

Much later I right clicked on the entry and from the menu selected what
I read to say as "Sadly Remove" rather than safely remove

Senior's moment

It did lighten my day considerably :-)


--
Running KDE on x86_64 5.15.126-desktop-1.mga8
Mageia release 8

[Bobbie Sellers]

Post by faeychild
Today I plugged in a flash memory stick which shows up in the 'Places"
panel in Dolphin under removable devices
Much later I right clicked on the entry and from the menu selected what
I read to say as  "Sadly Remove"  rather than safely remove
Senior's moment
It did lighten my day considerably  :-)
--
Running KDE on x86_64 5.15.126-desktop-1.mga8
Mageia release 8

If you pull it out of the socket while it is mounted
then you will have "Sadly Removed" it and you may be very sorry.

I know I have been very Sad when I did that.
For someone who hates loss of data I am very good at that.

bliss - Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2023.11- Linux 6.5.13- Plasma 5.27.9

[faeychild]

    If you pull it out of the socket while it is mounted
then you will have "Sadly Removed" it and you may be very sorry.

I believe that I've done that a little more than once
More so when the stick was plugged into the tower under the desk. It's
now on the end of a USB extension cable laying on the desk

I know I have been very Sad when I did that.
For someone who hates loss of data I am very good at that.
bliss - Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2023.11- Linux 6.5.13- Plasma 5.27.9

I see you run PCLOS. I always liked the magazine

[Vincent Coen]

Hello faeychild!

Post by faeychild
Today I plugged in a flash memory stick which shows up in the 'Places"
panel in Dolphin under removable devices
Much later I right clicked on the entry and from the menu selected
what I read to say as "Sadly Remove" rather than safely remove
Senior's moment
It did lighten my day considerably :-)
--
Running KDE on x86_64 5.15.126-desktop-1.mga8
Mageia release 8

There again if you are trying to run v9 that would be tricky based on my
upgrade attempt - luckily using another partition (from production) as an
experimental upgrade that fails to fully boot up - possibly something to do
with my graphic card a old Nvidia chip based product.

Will who ever deals with such matters at Mageia sort out usage of the
nvidia drivers etc and no I do not reallly wish to the the O/S version if
I can avoid it.

That said I have no idea of how to get around the boot failure and update
the system with latest updates to see if it resolves the issue.

Just as well as I used a test partition that had v8 on it.

Seem to recall having an issue booting when going from v7 -> v8 but there
again my memory is not as good as it used to be :(

Vincent

[TJ]

Post by Vincent Coen
There again if you are trying to run v9 that would be tricky based on my
upgrade attempt - luckily using another partition (from production) as an
experimental upgrade that fails to fully boot up - possibly something to do
with my graphic card a old Nvidia chip based product.
Will who ever deals with such matters at Mageia sort out usage of the
nvidia drivers etc and no I do not reallly wish to the the O/S version if
I can avoid it.
That said I have no idea of how to get around the boot failure and update
the system with latest updates to see if it resolves the issue.
Just as well as I used a test partition that had v8 on it.
Seem to recall having an issue booting when going from v7 -> v8 but there
again my memory is not as good as it used to be 🙁
Vincent

You didn't mention which "old Nvidia chip" you are using.

Sadly, if it's a chip that requires a proprietary driver lower than
nvidia470, Nvidia has chosen not to support it any longer, so it will
not build with the M9 kernels. That means Mageia won't be supporting it,
either.

Your choices are limited:

1. Use the open source nouveau driver.
2. Buy a newer Nvidia card.
3. Switch to an AMD gpu. AMD is much better these days at supporting the
open-source Linux drivers than Nvidia. (That last sentence is my
opinion. YMMV.)

TJ

[Vincent Coen]

Hello TJ!

Post by TJ

Post by Vincent Coen
There again if you are trying to run v9 that would be tricky based
on my upgrade attempt - luckily using another partition (from
production) as an experimental upgrade that fails to fully boot up -
possibly something to do with my graphic card a old Nvidia chip
based product.
Will who ever deals with such matters at Mageia sort out usage of
the nvidia drivers etc and no I do not reallly wish to the the O/S
version if I can avoid it.
That said I have no idea of how to get around the boot failure and
update the system with latest updates to see if it resolves the
issue.
Just as well as I used a test partition that had v8 on it.
Seem to recall having an issue booting when going from v7 -> v8 but
there again my memory is not as good as it used to be 🙁
Vincent

You didn't mention which "old Nvidia chip" you are using.

The results from MCC -> Videocard is
--
Identification
Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Description: GF119 [GeForce GT 610]
Media class: VGA compatible controller

Connection
Bus: PCI Express
PCI domain: 0
Bus PCI #: 1
PCI device #: 0
PCI function #: 0
PCI revision: 0xa1
Vendor ID: 0x10de
Device ID: 0x104a
Sub vendor ID: 0x1043
Sub device ID: 0x8411

Misc
Module: Card:NVIDIA GeForce 420 to GeForce 630
--
Does this help ?

Post by TJ
Sadly, if it's a chip that requires a proprietary driver lower than
nvidia470, Nvidia has chosen not to support it any longer, so it will
not build with the M9 kernels. That means Mageia won't be supporting
it, either.

My v8 system uses 390 i.e., nvidia390-cuda-opecl, dkms-nvidia390.

There are others i.e., x11-driver-video-nvidia390 and
lib64nvidia-egl-wayland1

Post by TJ
1. Use the open source nouveau driver.
2. Buy a newer Nvidia card.
3. Switch to an AMD gpu. AMD is much better these days at supporting
the open-source Linux drivers than Nvidia. (That last sentence is my
opinion. YMMV.)

If I have then I guess I have to BUT how do I change it when the boot
fails?

Problem for switching cards is that I am running AMD FX8350 8(?) core that
is at least 10 years old and as I am now 76 I thought it would see me out.


Vincent

[TJ]

Post by Vincent Coen
Identification
Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Description: GF119 [GeForce GT 610]
Media class: VGA compatible controller
Connection
Bus: PCI Express
PCI domain: 0
Bus PCI #: 1
PCI device #: 0
PCI function #: 0
PCI revision: 0xa1
Vendor ID: 0x10de
Device ID: 0x104a
Sub vendor ID: 0x1043
Sub device ID: 0x8411
Misc
Module: Card:NVIDIA GeForce 420 to GeForce 630
-- Does this help ?

The 470 module is the module for GeForce 635 to Geforce 920 cards, so
yours isn't covered by the proprietary drivers. You would have to use
nouveau.

If I have then I guess I have to BUT

Post by Vincent Coen
how do I change it when the boot fails?

If using grub2: select the "Advanced" option, and from there use the
"recovery" option. When prompted, enter the root password to log on in
text mode as root. Then use the command "XFdrake" to select your
graphics card. That should do it, but you might have to play with it a
little.

Problem for switching cards is

Post by Vincent Coen
that I am running AMD FX8350 8(?) core that is at least 10 years old and
as I am now 76 I thought it would see me out. Vincent

I just bought a used Quadro K620 card on ebay for $20US, not because of
any real need for it, but so I could test updates of the current nvidia
drivers for Mageia QA. That particular model is supposed to work with
any of the three Proprietary nvidia drivers currently supported in
Mageia. There were more of them available there when I looked.

BTW, I'm 74.

TJ

[Vincent Coen]

Hello TJ!

Tuesday December 05 2023 20:14, TJ wrote to All:


I have bitten the bullet and rebooted my system in the test update
partition that's the subject of this problem and used the advanced boot
option and just let it fully boot.

After a week or so (well it felt like it as the partition is on a WD Red
drive as against normal boot to a ssd) it came fully up !

Work that one out - how ever continuing, I cleaned up the older copies of
the kernel (from mga8 but left the last one still installed) and did a
update via MCC (can't find the Mageia Update icon and process) so did it
through MCC - another time to see where it is.

Then did a MCC-> hardware -> video and saw that the process says something
like nvidia390 located to 620 - or something of a similar nature.

So it is now up and running.

Next is if I am feeling brave enough to update my primary system as the
last time from 7 -> 8 did no go as smoothly as I would have liked and look
a lot of my time to resolve, yes I am still smarting from that experience.

That said I might still buying a replacement nvidia card as you suggest but
may be a later one but still cheapish as a 2nd hard one - Any suggestions
as to what one ?


Vince

Post by TJ

Post by Vincent Coen
Identification
Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Description: GF119 [GeForce GT 610]
Media class: VGA compatible controller
Connection
Bus: PCI Express
PCI domain: 0
Bus PCI #: 1
PCI device #: 0
PCI function #: 0
PCI revision: 0xa1
Vendor ID: 0x10de
Device ID: 0x104a
Sub vendor ID: 0x1043
Sub device ID: 0x8411
Misc
Module: Card:NVIDIA GeForce 420 to GeForce 630
-- Does this help ?

The 470 module is the module for GeForce 635 to Geforce 920 cards, so
yours isn't covered by the proprietary drivers. You would have to use
nouveau.
If I have then I guess I have to BUT

Post by Vincent Coen
how do I change it when the boot fails?

If using grub2: select the "Advanced" option, and from there use the
"recovery" option. When prompted, enter the root password to log on in
text mode as root. Then use the command "XFdrake" to select your
graphics card. That should do it, but you might have to play with it
a little.
Problem for switching cards is

Post by Vincent Coen
that I am running AMD FX8350 8(?) core that is at least 10 years old
and as I am now 76 I thought it would see me out. Vincent

I just bought a used Quadro K620 card on ebay for $20US, not because
of any real need for it, but so I could test updates of the current
nvidia drivers for Mageia QA. That particular model is supposed to
work with any of the three Proprietary nvidia drivers currently
supported in Mageia. There were more of them available there when I
looked.
BTW, I'm 74.
TJ

Vincent

[TJ]

Post by Vincent Coen
That said I might still buying a replacement nvidia card as you suggest but
may be a later one but still cheapish as a 2nd hard one - Any suggestions
as to what one ?

I dropped all things nvidia a few years ago when nvidia dropped support
for my perfectly good card, much as what's happening with you. My needs
are modest, and I filled them perfectly well with on-board Intel or
older AMD gpus. Consequently, my knowledge of the best nvidia gpu to buy
is... limited.

But, recently it became desirable to be able to test upcoming nvidia
updates, and the Quadro K620 was suggested to me as a card that could be
used with any of the drivers that are still supported by Mageia 9.
Plunging ahead...

You could get a card that's supported by the 470 driver, but it might
not be long before nvidia drops that one, too. So you might better be
looking for one supported by the recently updated nvidia-current driver,
535.129.03.

The "supported products" tab at
https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/213194/en-us/ should
show you a list of gpus that are supported. I'd suggest you look for a
deal on one of those.

If you want to further future-proof your choice, look for a gpu that's
also on this list:
https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/216530/en-us/ That's
the "nvidia-newfeature" driver that's currently being tested for Mageia.

TJ

[faeychild]

Post by TJ

Post by Vincent Coen
That said I might still buying a replacement nvidia card as you suggest but
may be a later one but still cheapish as a 2nd hard one - Any suggestions
as to what one ?

I dropped all things nvidia a few years ago when nvidia dropped support
for my perfectly good card, much as what's happening with you. My needs
are modest, and I filled them perfectly well with on-board Intel or
older AMD gpus. Consequently, my knowledge of the best nvidia gpu to buy
is... limited.

If I ever need a new motherboard I will dump the graphics card shuffle
and use the on board graphics. Nvidia's dwindling support may be
accelerating their demise.

Look what happened to the NIC card and the soundblaster, both dinosaurs

[TJ]

Post by faeychild

Post by TJ

Post by Vincent Coen
That said I might still buying a replacement nvidia card as you suggest but
may be a later one but still cheapish as a 2nd hard one - Any suggestions
as to what one ?

I dropped all things nvidia a few years ago when nvidia dropped
support for my perfectly good card, much as what's happening with you.
My needs are modest, and I filled them perfectly well with on-board
Intel or older AMD gpus. Consequently, my knowledge of the best nvidia
gpu to buy is... limited.

If I ever need a new motherboard I will dump the graphics card shuffle
and use the on board graphics. Nvidia's dwindling support may be
accelerating their demise.
Look what happened to the NIC card and the soundblaster, both dinosaurs

That's what people with laptops have to do, since most must use the
onboard graphics. But be careful with your purchase that you don't get
something with an onboard nvidia gpu. They do exist - especially
laptops. I know of some Mageia users who specifically ordered computers
with Nvidia gpus, because they needed them for one reason or another -
and now Nvidia left them out in the cold.

The laptop I'm using right now (purchased at a garage sale for $20 US)
has an AMD A8-4555M APU, and that means older onboard AMD graphics.
Fortunately, it works just fine with Mageia's open-source radeon driver.

TJ

[faeychild]

Post by TJ
That's what people with laptops have to do, since most must use the
onboard graphics. But be careful with your purchase that you don't get
something with an onboard nvidia gpu. They do exist - especially
laptops. I know of some Mageia users who specifically ordered computers
with Nvidia gpus, because they needed them for one reason or another -
and now Nvidia left them out in the cold.

Didn't realise that, I had IBM graphics stuck in my head.
I will bear that in Mind

Regards

[faeychild]

Post by Vincent Coen
There again if you are trying to run v9 that would be tricky based on my
upgrade attempt - luckily using another partition (from production) as an
experimental upgrade that fails to fully boot up - possibly something to do
with my graphic card a old Nvidia chip based product.

I remember the old days of installing the Nvidia drivers with the
foo.run file. Always a breath holding exercise and fraught with peril>

Post by Vincent Coen
Just as well as I used a test partition that had v8 on it.
Seem to recall having an issue booting when going from v7 -> v8 but there
again my memory is not as good as it used to be :(

I am holding off on V9. V8 is currently not broken so I'll wait until
I'm forced off kicking and screaming- a bit like with V7

[TJ]

Post by faeychild
Running KDE on x86_64 5.15.126-desktop-1.mga8
Mageia release 8

Just so you know, except for a few loose ends support for Mageia 8
officially ended yesterday.

Time to move on to Mageia 9.

TJ

[faeychild]

Post by TJ

Post by faeychild
Running KDE on x86_64 5.15.126-desktop-1.mga8
Mageia release 8

Just so you know, except for a few loose ends support for Mageia 8
officially ended yesterday.
Time to move on to Mageia 9.

I will hold on as long as possible.

Last time the browser became to old and I had to upgrade V8