Where might I find MGA 10B1 or 2??

[Daniel70]

I'm seriously looking to upgrade from my MGA 6 to MGA 10 (totally clean
installation *NOT* Update!!), but, having a bit of spare time just now,
I thought I'd (clean) install MGA 10 B1 or 2, whichever is latest
available, but I can't seem to find where to download it from.

I checked out https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_10_Release_Notes
expecting to find a link to a Mageia 10 Beta download site but, having
scrolled down and up on that site several times I couldn't find a link
to the MGA 10 B1 download site.

Is there one ..... yet?? Or an Alpha download site??

[Vincent Coen]

Hello Daniel70!

22 Dec 24 09:19, Daniel70 wrote to all:

New release in the pipe line is always called cooker and will be version
10 so you need to look for that.

However, that said cooker is the development branch and can be unstable,
have many bugs and in any event has not been fully tested for use as an
upgrade path from the previous version.

No Linux distro as far as I have found have a upgrade path for previous
version prior to the current released version i.e., new version for Mageia
(which will be v10) will bot support v8 and earlier).

So the only solution in this example to say of you are on v6 then you need
to update with v7, then v8 etc, etc or a fresh install say on a new
partition.

I should point out that my /home folder is always on another partition on
another drive so that user data is always maintained and kept between
differing versions and only requires once new version is pretested a
fixed mount for the /home to the new version's root area (/).

Vince

Post by Daniel70
I'm seriously looking to upgrade from my MGA 6 to MGA 10 (totally
clean installation *NOT* Update!!), but, having a bit of spare time
just now, I thought I'd (clean) install MGA 10 B1 or 2, whichever is
latest available, but I can't seem to find where to download it from.
I checked out https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_10_Release_Notes
expecting to find a link to a Mageia 10 Beta download site but, having
scrolled down and up on that site several times I couldn't find a
link to the MGA 10 B1 download site.
Is there one ..... yet?? Or an Alpha download site??
--
Daniel

Vincent

[Daniel70]

Post by Vincent Coen
Hello Daniel70!
New release in the pipe line is always called cooker and will be
version 10 so you need to look for that.
However, that said cooker is the development branch and can be
unstable, have many bugs and in any event has not been fully tested
for use as an upgrade path from the previous version.
No Linux distro as far as I have found have a upgrade path for
previous version prior to the current released version i.e., new
version for Mageia (which will be v10) will bot support v8 and
earlier).
So the only solution in this example to say of you are on v6 then you
need to update with v7, then v8 etc, etc or a fresh install say on a
new partition.

I have several partitions containing various versions of Linux, dating
back to MandrivaLinux. It is one of these other Versions that I want to
blow away to give me a seperate Partition into which I can install the
Ver 10 Beta.

Post by Vincent Coen
I should point out that my /home folder is always on another
partition on another drive so that user data is always maintained and
kept between differing versions and only requires once new version is
pretested a fixed mount for the /home to the new version's root area
(/).

I have a seperate Home in a seperate Partition, too!

Post by Vincent Coen
Vince

Post by Daniel70
I'm seriously looking to upgrade from my MGA 6 to MGA 10 (totally
clean installation *NOT* Update!!), but, having a bit of spare
time just now, I thought I'd (clean) install MGA 10 B1 or 2,
whichever is latest available, but I can't seem to find where to
download it from.
I checked out https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_10_Release_Notes
expecting to find a link to a Mageia 10 Beta download site but,
having scrolled down and up on that site several times I couldn't
find a link to the MGA 10 B1 download site.
Is there one ..... yet?? Or an Alpha download site?? -- Daniel

Vincent

[santo]

Post by Daniel70
I have a seperate Home in a seperate Partition, too!

Eternal Newbie here re. stuff like this...

How can you make a separate Home in a separate Partition ?
When installing I always make a 'separate partition' for /home... but what
is a "separate home " ?
What does it look like in the file system?
TIA

Santo

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by santo

Post by Daniel70
I have a seperate Home in a seperate Partition, too!

Eternal Newbie here re. stuff like this...
How can you make a separate Home in a separate Partition ?
When installing I always make a 'separate partition' for /home... but what
is a "separate home " ?
What does it look like in the file system?
TIA

When /home is in a separate partition, the root partition has a directory /home that is then
used as a mountpoint for the home partition.

Clear enough?

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[santo]

Post by David W. Hodgins
When /home is in a separate partition, the root partition has a
directory /home that is then used as a mountpoint for the home
partition.
Clear enough?
Regards, Dave Hodgins

Yes thank you, the wording had confused me, I thought it was a way to
put /home somewhere totally different...
Happy Different Year
:-)

[faeychild]

Post by santo
Yes thank you, the wording had confused me, I thought it was a way to
put /home somewhere totally different...
Happy Different Year
:-)

Yes indeed the AH-HA moment. I got a glimmer of peace from that myself.
I realized that this probably holds true for separate "TMP" partition also

[Daniel70]

Post by faeychild

Post by santo
Yes thank you, the wording had confused me, I thought it was a way
to put /home somewhere totally different... Happy Different Year
:-)

Yes indeed the AH-HA moment. I got a glimmer of peace from that myself.

... which has to be better than the 'Huh!! WHAT??' moment. ;-)

Post by faeychild
I realized that this probably holds true for separate "TMP" partition

Umm! A couple of days ago, I posted the outcome of ...

[***@localhost ~]$ lsblk -o
NAME,FSTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,LABEL,UUID,PARTLABEL,PARTUUID^C

For my Harddrive and it showed (amongst others) ...

├─sda5 swap [SWAP] 923ff3f4-03c4-463b-a69a-35623f9ec731
95aa95aa-05

... so am I wasting part of my (spinning rust) Harddrive or is the
system actually using sda5 for Swap space??

[David W. Hodgins]

On Wed, 01 Jan 2025 05:30:07 -0500, Daniel70 <***@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
<snip>

Post by Daniel70
For my Harddrive and it showed (amongst others) ...
├─sda5 swap [SWAP] 923ff3f4-03c4-463b-a69a-35623f9ec731
95aa95aa-05
... so am I wasting part of my (spinning rust) Harddrive or is the
system actually using sda5 for Swap space??

Check the output of the command "swapon -s".

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[Daniel70]

Post by David W. Hodgins
On Wed, 01 Jan 2025 05:30:07 -0500, Daniel70
<snip>

Post by Daniel70
For my Harddrive and it showed (amongst others) ...
├─sda5  swap   [SWAP]              923ff3f4-03c4-463b-a69a-35623f9ec731
           95aa95aa-05
... so am I wasting part of my (spinning rust) Harddrive or is the
system actually using sda5 for Swap space??

Check the output of the command "swapon -s".
Regards, Dave Hodgins

Thanks for the suggestion, Dave. First time I tried it, I got zero
result ..... then thought maybe, if I do it as a SuperUser ....

[***@localhost ~]$ su
Password:
[***@localhost daniel]# swapon -s
Filename Type Size Used
Priority
/dev/sda5 partition 4088504 524 -2
[***@localhost daniel]#

So it's there but, to me, doesn't seem to be getting used much. Mind
you, this is just after I've cold booted this Laptop, so (if I remember)
I'll try again, in about four hours, just before I close down for the night.

[Daniel70]

Post by Daniel70

Post by David W. Hodgins
On Wed, 01 Jan 2025 05:30:07 -0500, Daniel70

For my Harddrive and it showed (amongst others) ... ├─sda5 swap
[SWAP] 923ff3f4-03c4-463b-a69a-35623f9ec731
95aa95aa-05 ... so am I wasting part of my (spinning rust)
Harddrive or is the system actually using sda5 for Swap space??

Check the output of the command "swapon -s".
Regards, Dave Hodgins

Thanks for the suggestion, Dave. First time I tried it, I got zero
result ..... then thought maybe, if I do it as a SuperUser ....
-s Filename Type Size
Used Priority /dev/sda5 partition
So it's there but, to me, doesn't seem to be getting used much. Mind
you, this is just after I've cold booted this Laptop, so (if I
remember) I'll try again, in about four hours, just before I close
down for the night.

Here I am about five hours later, mainly doing UseNet reading, some game
playing, and ....

[***@localhost daniel]# swapon -s
Filename Type Size Used
Priority
/dev/sda5 partition 4088504 26380 -2
[***@localhost daniel]#

so the Used figure has increased from 524kB to 26,380kB

Does that indicate anything to you David?? Anyone??

[Jim]

Post by Daniel70

Post by Daniel70

Post by David W. Hodgins
On Wed, 01 Jan 2025 05:30:07 -0500, Daniel70

For my Harddrive and it showed (amongst others) ... ├─sda5 swap
[SWAP] 923ff3f4-03c4-463b-a69a-35623f9ec731
95aa95aa-05 ... so am I wasting part of my (spinning rust)
Harddrive or is the system actually using sda5 for Swap space??

Check the output of the command "swapon -s".
Regards, Dave Hodgins

Thanks for the suggestion, Dave. First time I tried it, I got zero
result ..... then thought maybe, if I do it as a SuperUser ....
-s Filename Type Size
Used Priority /dev/sda5 partition
So it's there but, to me, doesn't seem to be getting used much. Mind
you, this is just after I've cold booted this Laptop, so (if I
remember) I'll try again, in about four hours, just before I close
down for the night.

Here I am about five hours later, mainly doing UseNet reading, some game
playing, and ....
Filename Type Size Used
Priority
/dev/sda5 partition 4088504 26380 -2
so the Used figure has increased from 524kB to 26,380kB
Does that indicate anything to you David?? Anyone??

That looks like 4 gigabytes swap space with 4 megabytes used. Trivial.

If you have top or htop installed on your machine, running one
of them from a command line might provide an overabundance of
information for you, particularly in the top few lines of the data
returned.

Cheers!

jim b.

[David W. Hodgins]

On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 09:11:31 -0500, Daniel70 <***@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
<snip>

Post by Daniel70
so the Used figure has increased from 524kB to 26,380kB
Does that indicate anything to you David?? Anyone??

Very small amount of swap used.

Another command that may be of use is "free -m". That shows the memory and swap available
and used in megabytes.

The file /proc/swaps contains size/used swap in bytes.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[Daniel70]

Post by David W. Hodgins
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 09:11:31 -0500, Daniel70
<snip>

Post by Daniel70
so the Used figure has increased from 524kB to 26,380kB
Does that indicate anything to you David??  Anyone??

Very small amount of swap used.
Another command that may be of use is "free -m". That shows the memory
and swap available and used in megabytes.
The file /proc/swaps contains size/used swap in bytes.
Regards, Dave Hodgins

[***@localhost daniel]# free -m
total used free shared buff/cache
available
Mem: 3848 1199 1190 96 1458
2321
Swap: 3992 0 3992
[***@localhost daniel]#

I went looking for /proc/swaps .... opened Dolphin, selected the /
drive, entered my password, then entered '/proc/swaps' in the Search
Field ..... Waiting .... Waiting!! ;-(

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by Daniel70

Post by David W. Hodgins
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 09:11:31 -0500, Daniel70
<snip>

Post by Daniel70
so the Used figure has increased from 524kB to 26,380kB
Does that indicate anything to you David?? Anyone??

Very small amount of swap used.
Another command that may be of use is "free -m". That shows the memory
and swap available and used in megabytes.
The file /proc/swaps contains size/used swap in bytes.
Regards, Dave Hodgins

total used free shared buff/cache
available
Mem: 3848 1199 1190 96 1458
2321
Swap: 3992 0 3992
I went looking for /proc/swaps .... opened Dolphin, selected the /
drive, entered my password, then entered '/proc/swaps' in the Search
Field ..... Waiting .... Waiting!! ;-(

It's an ordianry (read only) file.

$ ls -l /proc/swaps
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 31 12:29 /proc/swaps

As it's only readable by root or members of the root group, either make your id a member of
the root group or use "su -" in a terminal to access it.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by David W. Hodgins

Post by Daniel70

Post by David W. Hodgins
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 09:11:31 -0500, Daniel70
<snip>

Post by Daniel70
so the Used figure has increased from 524kB to 26,380kB
Does that indicate anything to you David?? Anyone??

Very small amount of swap used.
Another command that may be of use is "free -m". That shows the memory
and swap available and used in megabytes.
The file /proc/swaps contains size/used swap in bytes.
Regards, Dave Hodgins

total used free shared buff/cache
available
Mem: 3848 1199 1190 96 1458
2321
Swap: 3992 0 3992
I went looking for /proc/swaps .... opened Dolphin, selected the /
drive, entered my password, then entered '/proc/swaps' in the Search
Field ..... Waiting .... Waiting!! ;-(

It's an ordianry (read only) file.
$ ls -l /proc/swaps
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 31 12:29 /proc/swaps
As it's only readable by root or members of the root group, either make your id a member of
the root group or use "su -" in a terminal to access it.

Oops. Ignore that. Others have read access too. Using dolphin as a regular user, /proc/swaps
is readable for me.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[Daniel70]

On Sat, 04 Jan 2025 15:18:07 -0500, David W. Hodgins

On Fri, 03 Jan 2025 02:49:49 -0500, Daniel70

Post by faeychild

Post by David W. Hodgins
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 09:11:31 -0500, Daniel70
<snip>

Post by Daniel70
so the Used figure has increased from 524kB to 26,380kB
Does that indicate anything to you David??  Anyone??

Very small amount of swap used.
Another command that may be of use is "free -m". That shows the memory
and swap available and used in megabytes.
The file /proc/swaps contains size/used swap in bytes.
Regards, Dave Hodgins

               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache
available
Mem:           3848        1199        1190          96        1458
   2321
Swap:          3992           0        3992
I went looking for /proc/swaps .... opened Dolphin, selected the /
drive, entered my password, then entered '/proc/swaps' in the Search
Field ..... Waiting .... Waiting!! ;-(

It's an ordianry (read only) file.
$ ls -l /proc/swaps
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 31 12:29 /proc/swaps
As it's only readable by root or members of the root group, either
make your id a member of
the root group or use "su -" in a terminal to access it.

Oops. Ignore that. Others have read access too. Using dolphin as a
regular user, /proc/swaps
is readable for me.
Regards, Dave Hodgins

Lack of Knowledge, David. I was expecting it to be a file that I could
'see' on the su Dolphin screen .... but no, it would seem!!

faeychild has given me the clue to look for it with-in the su Konquer
screen ....

[***@localhost daniel]# cat /proc/swaps
Filename Type Size Used
Priority
/dev/sda5 partition 4088504 524 -2
[***@localhost daniel]#

So the Swap Partition is there .... if barely used.

[faeychild]

Post by Daniel70
I went looking for /proc/swaps .... opened Dolphin, selected the /
drive, entered my password, then entered '/proc/swaps' in the Search
Field ..... Waiting .... Waiting!! ;-(

It does depend somewhat on how much ram there is

~]$ cat /proc/swaps
Filename Type Size
Used Priority
/dev/nvme0n1p3 partition 11146236
0 -2
[***@unimatrix ~]$ free
total used free shared buff/cache
available
Mem: 32813348 3781228 24318264 52064 4713856
28564648
Swap: 11146236 0 11146236

[Daniel70]

Post by faeychild

Post by Daniel70
I went looking for /proc/swaps .... opened Dolphin, selected the /
drive, entered my password, then entered '/proc/swaps' in the Search
Field ..... Waiting .... Waiting!! ;-(

It does depend somewhat on how much ram there is
~]$ cat /proc/swaps
Filename                                Type            Size
Used            Priority
/dev/nvme0n1p3                          partition       11146236
0               -2
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache
available
Mem:        32813348     3781228    24318264       52064     4713856
28564648
Swap:       11146236           0    11146236

[***@localhost daniel]# cat /proc/swaps
Filename Type Size Used
Priority
/dev/sda5 partition 4088504 524 -2
[***@localhost daniel]#

[faeychild]

Filename                                Type            Size    Used
Priority
/dev/sda5                               partition       4088504 524     -2

You're looking safe - so far :-)

[Daniel70]

Post by faeychild

Filename                                Type            Size    Used
Priority
/dev/sda5                               partition       4088504
524     -2

You're looking safe - so far :-)

Hmm!! Just as I keep telling myself I'm gunna install MGA9 .... in
preparation for installing the soon to be released MGA10.

[Daniel70]

Post by santo

Post by Daniel70
I have a seperate Home in a seperate Partition, too!

Eternal Newbie here re. stuff like this...
How can you make a separate Home in a separate Partition ?
When installing I always make a 'separate partition' for /home... but what
is a "separate home " ?
What does it look like in the file system?
TIA
Santo

Santo, in a Konsole screen, try ...

lsblk -o NAME,FSTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,LABEL,UUID,PARTLABEL,PARTUUID

On my system that command showed something like (note Word-wrap might be
a problem) .....

[***@localhost ~]$ lsblk -o
NAME,FSTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,LABEL,UUID,PARTLABEL,PARTUUID
NAME FSTYPE MOUNTPOINT LABEL UUID
PARTLABEL PARTUUID
sr0

sda

├─sda4
95aa95aa-04
├─sda2 ntfs /media/win Programs CE5405B65405A277
95aa95aa-02
├─sda12 ext4 0e296949-49e6-43fa-85ab-ceb140355b0b
95aa95aa-0c
├─sda9 ext3 / 2bc4c809-41bd-486f-a96b-26c07098e533
95aa95aa-09
├─sda10 ext3 /MGA4 a3352146-1b2c-4b7d-a231-2af6833ce797
95aa95aa-0a
├─sda7 ext3 /MGA3 1938a352-b26a-4e80-948f-13b2d32799d1
95aa95aa-07
├─sda5 swap [SWAP] 923ff3f4-03c4-463b-a69a-35623f9ec731
95aa95aa-05
├─sda3 ntfs /media/win Games 306820F26820B88C
95aa95aa-03
├─sda1 ntfs /media/win C:\ E696C01496BFE36B
95aa95aa-01
├─sda13 ext4 / cb982d8d-8dab-4212-aa0b-b914add3931a
95aa95aa-0d
├─sda11 ext4 4feb7be2-35e8-4c8f-8069-aac8f5fdb61c
95aa95aa-0b
├─sda8 ext4 /home 68b05cbb-4d62-47eb-8060-fb051e261ae5
95aa95aa-08
└─sda6 ext3 /MDA2009 64135f6b-1cbb-4da2-8277-5fcd8edb16a4
95aa95aa-06
[***@localhost ~]$

[santo]

Post by Daniel70
lsblk -o NAME,FSTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,LABEL,UUID,PARTLABEL,PARTUUID

thanks...as I said to David the wording has confused me a little...
Happy Different Year
:-)

[TJ]

Post by Vincent Coen
Hello Daniel70!
New release in the pipe line is always called cooker and will be version
10 so you need to look for that.
However, that said cooker is the development branch and can be unstable,
have many bugs and in any event has not been fully tested for use as an
upgrade path from the previous version.
No Linux distro as far as I have found have a upgrade path for previous
version prior to the current released version i.e., new version for Mageia
(which will be v10) will bot support v8 and earlier).
So the only solution in this example to say of you are on v6 then you need
to update with v7, then v8 etc, etc or a fresh install say on a new
partition.
I should point out that my /home folder is always on another partition on
another drive so that user data is always maintained and kept between
differing versions and only requires once new version is pretested a
fixed mount for the /home to the new version's root area (/).
Vince

"Cooker" was the Mandrake/Mandriva development version. Mageia's is
called "Cauldron."

TJ

[Vincent Coen]

Hello TJ!

Post by TJ

Post by Vincent Coen
Hello Daniel70!
New release in the pipe line is always called cooker and will be
version 10 so you need to look for that.
However, that said cooker is the development branch and can be
unstable, have many bugs and in any event has not been fully tested
for use as an upgrade path from the previous version.
No Linux distro as far as I have found have a upgrade path for
previous version prior to the current released version i.e., new
version for Mageia (which will be v10) will bot support v8 and
earlier).
So the only solution in this example to say of you are on v6 then
you need to update with v7, then v8 etc, etc or a fresh install say
on a new partition.
I should point out that my /home folder is always on another
partition on another drive so that user data is always maintained
and kept between differing versions and only requires once new
version is pretested a fixed mount for the /home to the new
version's root area (/).
Vince

"Cooker" was the Mandrake/Mandriva development version. Mageia's is
called "Cauldron."

Picky :)




Vincent

[Jim]

Post by Daniel70
I'm seriously looking to upgrade from my MGA 6 to MGA 10 (totally clean
installation *NOT* Update!!), but, having a bit of spare time just now,
I thought I'd (clean) install MGA 10 B1 or 2, whichever is latest
available, but I can't seem to find where to download it from.
I checked out https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_10_Release_Notes
expecting to find a link to a Mageia 10 Beta download site but, having
scrolled down and up on that site several times I couldn't find a link
to the MGA 10 B1 download site.
Is there one ..... yet?? Or an Alpha download site??

The Development version of Mageia is designated Cauldron.

https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Cauldron

Cheers!

jim b.

[Daniel70]

Post by Jim

Post by Daniel70
I'm seriously looking to upgrade from my MGA 6 to MGA 10 (totally clean
installation *NOT* Update!!), but, having a bit of spare time just now,
I thought I'd (clean) install MGA 10 B1 or 2, whichever is latest
available, but I can't seem to find where to download it from.
I checked out https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_10_Release_Notes
expecting to find a link to a Mageia 10 Beta download site but, having
scrolled down and up on that site several times I couldn't find a link
to the MGA 10 B1 download site.
Is there one ..... yet?? Or an Alpha download site??

The Development version of Mageia is designated Cauldron.
https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Cauldron
Cheers!
jim b.

Yes, I was aware of that .... but was really looking for an Alpha or
Beta version .... or even a Release Candidate Version.

[TJ]

Post by Daniel70

Post by Jim

Post by Daniel70
I'm seriously looking to upgrade from my MGA 6 to MGA 10 (totally clean
installation *NOT* Update!!), but, having a bit of spare time just now,
I thought I'd (clean) install MGA 10 B1 or 2, whichever is latest
available, but I can't seem to find where to download it from.
I checked out https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_10_Release_Notes
expecting to find a link to a Mageia 10 Beta download site but, having
scrolled down and up on that site several times I couldn't find a link
to the MGA 10 B1 download site.
Is there one ..... yet?? Or an Alpha download site??

The Development version of Mageia is designated Cauldron.
https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Cauldron
Cheers!
jim b.

Yes, I was aware of that .... but was really looking for an Alpha or
Beta version .... or even a Release Candidate Version.

No alpha, beta, or RC isos have been released yet. The developers have
not yet determined that it is "ready" for that part of the release
cycle, and we only release a Mageia "when it's ready," even the
pre-official versions.

TJ

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by TJ

Post by Daniel70

Post by Jim

Post by Daniel70
I'm seriously looking to upgrade from my MGA 6 to MGA 10 (totally clean
installation *NOT* Update!!), but, having a bit of spare time just now,
I thought I'd (clean) install MGA 10 B1 or 2, whichever is latest
available, but I can't seem to find where to download it from.
I checked out https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_10_Release_Notes
expecting to find a link to a Mageia 10 Beta download site but, having
scrolled down and up on that site several times I couldn't find a link
to the MGA 10 B1 download site.
Is there one ..... yet?? Or an Alpha download site??

The Development version of Mageia is designated Cauldron.
https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Cauldron
Cheers!
jim b.

Yes, I was aware of that .... but was really looking for an Alpha or
Beta version .... or even a Release Candidate Version.

No alpha, beta, or RC isos have been released yet. The developers have
not yet determined that it is "ready" for that part of the release
cycle, and we only release a Mageia "when it's ready," even the
pre-official versions.

Keep in mind. The idea of a new release every 8 months went out the window a long time
ago. The only guarantee is support for 16 months from release or 3 months after the next
release, which ever is longer.

The releases come out when they are ready. ISO building/testing only starts when there
is enough of a difference between the latest release and cauldron to warrant the work
involved, both for Mageia volunteers and to warrant the effort users have to undergo to
upgrade.

Very major changes, such as happened when uefi support was added, can delay a release
quite a bit.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[William Unruh]

Post by Daniel70

Post by Jim

Post by Daniel70
I'm seriously looking to upgrade from my MGA 6 to MGA 10 (totally clean
installation *NOT* Update!!), but, having a bit of spare time just now,
I thought I'd (clean) install MGA 10 B1 or 2, whichever is latest
available, but I can't seem to find where to download it from.
I checked out https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_10_Release_Notes
expecting to find a link to a Mageia 10 Beta download site but, having
scrolled down and up on that site several times I couldn't find a link
to the MGA 10 B1 download site.
Is there one ..... yet?? Or an Alpha download site??

The Development version of Mageia is designated Cauldron.
https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Cauldron
Cheers!
jim b.

Yes, I was aware of that .... but was really looking for an Alpha or
Beta version .... or even a Release Candidate Version.

There is Cauldron and then, close to the release there are release
candidates. There is none yet. So if you really want to help debug
Mga10, download and install cauldron, but as has been said, it may have
bugs. Otherwise, install Mga9. When 10 comes out you can upgrade to it,
so much less time is lost than doing a clean install. And the release
candidate will come out when it is ready. Mga does not have a tight
schedule-- the release may be 4 months way or a year.

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by Daniel70
I'm seriously looking to upgrade from my MGA 6 to MGA 10 (totally clean
installation *NOT* Update!!), but, having a bit of spare time just now,
I thought I'd (clean) install MGA 10 B1 or 2, whichever is latest
available, but I can't seem to find where to download it from.
I checked out https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_10_Release_Notes
expecting to find a link to a Mageia 10 Beta download site but, having
scrolled down and up on that site several times I couldn't find a link
to the MGA 10 B1 download site.
Is there one ..... yet?? Or an Alpha download site??

The beta for 10 has not started yet. I'm no longer involved, bug do still skim through the
mailing lists.

If you do want to install cauldron, either do a net install and manually specify the mirror
and path, or do a minimal install of Mageia 9, then change the urpmi repos and update
to cauldron.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by David W. Hodgins
If you do want to install cauldron, either do a net install and manually specify the mirror
and path, or do a minimal install of Mageia 9, then change the urpmi repos and update
to cauldron.

I forgot to add. With cauldron, the release repos are being updated with every package update
or addition. That can cause problems during the install as the install is looking for a package
based on the list it got at the start of the install, but by the time it gets around to actually
downloading a package, that package has been replaced by a new version.

That doesn't happen in stable releases where packages are only added, but does with
caudron.

Check https://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/ for a quiet period (no packages building), before
starting a cauldron install.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[William Unruh]

Post by David W. Hodgins

Post by David W. Hodgins
If you do want to install cauldron, either do a net install and manually specify the mirror
and path, or do a minimal install of Mageia 9, then change the urpmi repos and update
to cauldron.

I forgot to add. With cauldron, the release repos are being updated with every package update
or addition. That can cause problems during the install as the install is looking for a package
based on the list it got at the start of the install, but by the time it gets around to actually
downloading a package, that package has been replaced by a new version.
That doesn't happen in stable releases where packages are only added, but does with
caudron.
Check https://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/ for a quiet period (no packages building), before
starting a cauldron install.
Regards, Dave Hodgins

You could aways download the full cauldron install to you own machine
and then install from there. That will not change during the course of
the install. I means you need almost 10GB of free space to install the
cauldron to. ( rsync it twice to make sure that it did not change during
the download).

[Daniel70]

On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 04:19:30 -0500, Daniel70

Post by Daniel70
I'm seriously looking to upgrade from my MGA 6 to MGA 10 (totally
clean installation *NOT* Update!!), but, having a bit of spare
time just now, I thought I'd (clean) install MGA 10 B1 or 2,
whichever is latest available, but I can't seem to find where to
download it from.
I checked out https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_10_Release_Notes
expecting to find a link to a Mageia 10 Beta download site but,
having scrolled down and up on that site several times I couldn't
find a link to the MGA 10 B1 download site.
Is there one ..... yet?? Or an Alpha download site??

The beta for 10 has not started yet. I'm no longer involved,

Thanks for all your efforts along the way, David.

bug do still skim through the mailing lists.
If you do want to install cauldron, either do a net install and
manually specify the mirror and path, or do a minimal install of
Mageia 9, then change the urpmi repos and update to cauldron.

Cauldron might be a bit above me!!

Regards, Dave Hodgins

O.K., seems I might just have to wait for Ver 10 to be released. ;-)

[Daniel70]

Post by Daniel70
I'm seriously looking to upgrade from my MGA 6 to MGA 10 (totally clean
installation *NOT* Update!!), but, having a bit of spare time just now,
I thought I'd (clean) install MGA 10 B1 or 2, whichever is latest
available, but I can't seem to find where to download it from.
I checked out https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_10_Release_Notes
expecting to find a link to a Mageia 10 Beta download site but, having
scrolled down and up on that site several times I couldn't find a link
to the MGA 10 B1 download site.
Is there one ..... yet?? Or an Alpha download site??

O.K., thanks for all the advice and information.

I'm guessing the route I'll take (after backing up my internal 500GB HD
to an external 2 TB HD) would be to keep my (functioning) MGA6 and blow
away one of my other Installations (most likely MandrivaLinux 2007??)
and do a clean installation of MGA 9.0 (which I have already downloaded
and burnt to DVD), fully update MGA 9.0 and use it .... and then, when
you developer guys release MGA 10.0, update MGA 9.0 to MGA 10.0

Sounds like a workable plan to me.

Thanks.

[faeychild]

Post by Daniel70
I'm guessing the route I'll take (after backing up my internal 500GB HD
to an external 2 TB HD) would be to keep my (functioning) MGA6 and blow
away one of my other Installations (most likely MandrivaLinux 2007??)
and do a clean installation of MGA 9.0 (which I have already downloaded
and burnt to DVD), fully update MGA 9.0 and use it .... and then, when
you developer guys release MGA 10.0, update MGA 9.0 to MGA 10.0

A suggestion . Put the installation ISO on USB flash ram.
It's lass hassle than a DVD and installs much faster (12 minutes)

"IsoDumper" works well for this

[Daniel70]

Post by Daniel70
I'm guessing the route I'll take (after backing up my internal 500GB
HD to an external 2 TB HD) would be to keep my (functioning) MGA6 and
blow away one of my other Installations (most likely MandrivaLinux
2007??) and do a clean installation of MGA 9.0 (which I have already
downloaded and burnt to DVD), fully update MGA 9.0 and use it .... and
then, when you developer guys release MGA 10.0, update MGA 9.0 to MGA
10.0

A suggestion . Put the installation ISO on  USB flash ram.
It's lass hassle than a DVD and installs much faster  (12 minutes)
 "IsoDumper"  works well for this

Oh!! You Hi-techie, you, faeychild!! ;-P

At this stage I'd say something like "I've got the DVDs and gotta find
something to do with them" .... mind you, in 'xx' years, I'll probably
have a 'Good' reason for using them and have run out!! ;-)

[faeychild]

Post by Daniel70
Oh!! You Hi-techie, you, faeychild!! ;-P
At this stage I'd say something like "I've got the DVDs and gotta find
something to do with them" .... mind you, in 'xx' years, I'll probably
have a 'Good' reason for using them and have run out!! ;-)

I have few left too, along with tower of CD's some dvd-rw and some dual
layer. They are gathering dust. It has been quite some time since anyone
asked me to burn a disc for them
I still have MGA6 partition because that's the only release that
Dvdstyler still works with.
I know that when I blow that partition away I'll get a request for an
authored DVD. So it remains

[Daniel70]

Post by faeychild

Post by Daniel70
Oh!! You Hi-techie, you, faeychild!! ;-P
At this stage I'd say something like "I've got the DVDs and gotta find
something to do with them" .... mind you, in 'xx' years, I'll probably
have a 'Good' reason for using them and have run out!! ;-)

I have few left too, along with tower of CD's some dvd-rw and some dual
layer. They are gathering dust. It has been quite some time since anyone
asked me to burn a disc for them
 I still have MGA6 partition because that's the only release that
Dvdstyler still works with.
I know that when I blow that partition away I'll get a request for an
authored DVD. So it remains

Yeap! Yeap! Yeap!