Wireless does not work in Mageia 8.

[Gilberto F da Silva]

Magea is capable of lists nearby wireless networks but is not able to
connect. I can only use the Mageia connected by the cable.

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
Magea is capable of lists nearby wireless networks but is not able to
connect. I can only use the Mageia connected by the cable.

See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Setup_wireless_networking

Trouble shooting wireless problems requires more info. Mageia release, desktop
environment, etc.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[Gilberto F da Silva]

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 15:53:12 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
Magea is capable of lists nearby wireless networks but is not able to
connect. I can only use the Mageia connected by the cable.

See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Setup_wireless_networking

I accessed this link. He seemed somewhat outdated. Print screens are
old and even mentions WEP, which is no longer used.

I couldn't make my wireless work with Mageia.

Trouble shooting wireless problems requires more info. Mageia release, desktop
environment, etc.

Mageia 8, KDE

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 15:53:12 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
Magea is capable of lists nearby wireless networks but is not able to
connect. I can only use the Mageia connected by the cable.

See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Setup_wireless_networking

I accessed this link. He seemed somewhat outdated. Print screens are
old and even mentions WEP, which is no longer used.
I couldn't make my wireless work with Mageia.

Trouble shooting wireless problems requires more info. Mageia release, desktop
environment, etc.

Mageia 8, KDE

Run mcc, select hardware, then browse and configure hardware. Does it
suggest packages that need installing?

What's the output of (as root) "lspcidrake -v|grep -i wireless"?

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[Gilberto F da Silva]

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 21:49:35 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 15:53:12 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
Magea is capable of lists nearby wireless networks but is not able to
connect. I can only use the Mageia connected by the cable.

See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Setup_wireless_networking

    I accessed this link. He seemed somewhat outdated. Print screens are
old and even mentions WEP, which is no longer used.
    I couldn't make my wireless work with Mageia.

Trouble shooting wireless problems requires more info. Mageia release, desktop
environment, etc.

    Mageia 8, KDE

Run mcc, select hardware, then browse and configure hardware. Does it
suggest packages that need installing?
What's the output of (as root) "lspcidrake -v|grep -i wireless"?

[***@localhost grandaj]# lspcidrake -v|grep -i wireless
rtl8188ee : Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.|RTL8188EE Wireless
Network Adapter [NETWORK_OTHER] (vendor:10ec device:8179 subv:10ec
subd:8197) (rev: 01)
[***@localhost grandaj]#

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 21:49:35 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 15:53:12 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
Magea is capable of lists nearby wireless networks but is not able to
connect. I can only use the Mageia connected by the cable.

See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Setup_wireless_networking

I accessed this link. He seemed somewhat outdated. Print screens are
old and even mentions WEP, which is no longer used.
I couldn't make my wireless work with Mageia.

Trouble shooting wireless problems requires more info. Mageia release, desktop
environment, etc.

Mageia 8, KDE

Run mcc, select hardware, then browse and configure hardware. Does it
suggest packages that need installing?
What's the output of (as root) "lspcidrake -v|grep -i wireless"?

rtl8188ee : Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.|RTL8188EE Wireless
Network Adapter [NETWORK_OTHER] (vendor:10ec device:8179 subv:10ec
subd:8197) (rev: 01)

Is rtlwifi-firmware-20220411-1.mga8.nonfree installed?

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[Gilberto F da Silva]

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 23:29:05 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 21:49:35 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 15:53:12 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
Magea is capable of lists nearby wireless networks but is not able to
connect. I can only use the Mageia connected by the cable.

See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Setup_wireless_networking

    I accessed this link. He seemed somewhat outdated. Print screens
are
old and even mentions WEP, which is no longer used.
    I couldn't make my wireless work with Mageia.

Trouble shooting wireless problems requires more info. Mageia release, desktop
environment, etc.

    Mageia 8, KDE

Run mcc, select hardware, then browse and configure hardware. Does it
suggest packages that need installing?
What's the output of (as root) "lspcidrake -v|grep -i wireless"?

rtl8188ee       : Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.|RTL8188EE Wireless
Network Adapter [NETWORK_OTHER] (vendor:10ec device:8179 subv:10ec
subd:8197) (rev: 01)

Is rtlwifi-firmware-20220411-1.mga8.nonfree installed?

Yup. I checked now. I would like to post the print screens but the news
server does not allow.

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 23:29:05 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 21:49:35 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 15:53:12 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
Magea is capable of lists nearby wireless networks but is not able to
connect. I can only use the Mageia connected by the cable.

See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Setup_wireless_networking

I accessed this link. He seemed somewhat outdated. Print screens are
old and even mentions WEP, which is no longer used.
I couldn't make my wireless work with Mageia.

Trouble shooting wireless problems requires more info. Mageia release, desktop
environment, etc.

Mageia 8, KDE

Run mcc, select hardware, then browse and configure hardware. Does it
suggest packages that need installing?
What's the output of (as root) "lspcidrake -v|grep -i wireless"?

rtl8188ee : Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.|RTL8188EE Wireless
Network Adapter [NETWORK_OTHER] (vendor:10ec device:8179 subv:10ec
subd:8197) (rev: 01)

Is rtlwifi-firmware-20220411-1.mga8.nonfree installed?

Yup. I checked now. I would like to post the print screens but the news
server does not allow.

Probably best to open a bug report at https://bugs.mageia.org
If you haven't already, register first at https://identity.mageia.org/
Bugzilla does allow attachments.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[TJ]

Post by David W. Hodgins

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

Post by David W. Hodgins

Post by David W. Hodgins
What's the output of (as root) "lspcidrake -v|grep -i wireless"?

rtl8188ee       : Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.|RTL8188EE Wireless
Network Adapter [NETWORK_OTHER] (vendor:10ec device:8179 subv:10ec
subd:8197) (rev: 01)

Is rtlwifi-firmware-20220411-1.mga8.nonfree installed?

Yup. I checked now. I would like to post the print screens but the news
server does not allow.

Probably best to open a bug report at https://bugs.mageia.org
If you haven't already, register first at https://identity.mageia.org/
Bugzilla does allow attachments.

The symptoms sound very much like I saw with an rtl8192eu device before
installing dkms-rtl8192eu. But the "u" indicates that is a usb device,
where the OP's is a pci-e card, so that's probably irrelevant.

A bit of personal research indicates the rtl8188ee driver module has
been part of the kernel since version 3.something. So, it should be there.

Questions suggested by that research:

What is the output of "lsmod | grep rtl8188ee"?

And "locate rtl8188ee | grep -v "debug" | grep .ko"?

TJ

[Gilberto F da Silva]

Post by TJ

Post by David W. Hodgins

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

Post by David W. Hodgins

Post by David W. Hodgins
What's the output of (as root) "lspcidrake -v|grep -i wireless"?

rtl8188ee       : Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.|RTL8188EE Wireless
Network Adapter [NETWORK_OTHER] (vendor:10ec device:8179 subv:10ec
subd:8197) (rev: 01)

Is rtlwifi-firmware-20220411-1.mga8.nonfree installed?

Yup. I checked now. I would like to post the print screens but the news
server does not allow.

Probably best to open a bug report at https://bugs.mageia.org
If you haven't already, register first at https://identity.mageia.org/
Bugzilla does allow attachments.

The symptoms sound very much like I saw with an rtl8192eu device before
installing dkms-rtl8192eu. But the "u" indicates that is a usb device,
where the OP's is a pci-e card, so that's probably irrelevant.
A bit of personal research indicates the rtl8188ee driver module has
been part of the kernel since version 3.something. So, it should be there.
What is the output of "lsmod | grep rtl8188ee"?
And "locate rtl8188ee | grep -v "debug" | grep .ko"?

Marja van Waes indicated a solution:

O drakx-net nem sempre funciona. Por exemplo, porque ainda usa iwlist &
wext em vez de iw & nl80211. Podes tentar mudar para NetworkManager, que
funciona melhor para muitos.

Drakx-Net doesn't always work. For example, because it still uses Iwlist
& Wext instead of IW & NL80211. You can try to change to networkmanager,
which works better for many.


https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Switching_to_networkmanager

[William Unruh]

Unfortunately Network Center has languished for many years now. The
original developer long ago left and noone has picked up the ball to
keep the draknet up to date. There are loads of problems with the
software, and with wpa_supplicant, the main program which does the
connecting.

You could try Network Manager or even the systemd networking tools.
Unfortunately I can give no guidance on those.

However, if you want help you really have to give more information. What
did you do, what kind of netwrork did you try to connect to, what
authentication do they want. What kind of access point do you wnat to
connect to?

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[Gilberto F da Silva]

The whole Mageia has languished . The Brazilian Portuguese Mageia
mailing list has not received any messages for years. I can only get
some help in English.

Post by William Unruh
Unfortunately Network Center has languished for many years now. The
original developer long ago left and noone has picked up the ball to
keep the draknet up to date. There are loads of problems with the
software, and with wpa_supplicant, the main program which does the
connecting.
You could try Network Manager or even the systemd networking tools.
Unfortunately I can give no guidance on those.
However, if you want help you really have to give more information. What
did you do, what kind of netwrork did you try to connect to, what
authentication do they want. What kind of access point do you wnat to
connect to?

This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156)
--ZuMs7RV0InhHSQgwhXGIlCxrp3DkAwhro
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="27Lj812LKShFFWqsL4GJN8dnzeh9K8KaH";
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Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mageia
Subject: Wireless does not work in Mageia 8.
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Magea is capable of lists nearby wireless networks but is not able to
connect. I can only use the Mageia connected by the cable.
--=20
Gilberto F da Silva
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[David W. Hodgins]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
The whole Mageia has languished . The Brazilian Portuguese Mageia
mailing list has not received any messages for years. I can only get
some help in English.

I strongly disagree that the whole of Mageia has languished. Security and bugfix
updates for Mageia 8 continue. Cauldron continues to be updated in preparation for
what will be Mageia 9.

There are known problems with drakx-net in some situations where network manager
or systemd-network work better, while in other situations drakx-net works better
then network manager. They each have their strengths and weaknesses.

As to translations, if there are problems with Brazilian Portuguese, please
consider joining the translation team to help out. As an English only person
I can't help with that.

Regarding the delays in Mageia 9: At present, other then newer versions of some
packages there is almost no difference between Mageia 8 and the current cauldron.
Putting together a new release, testing the iso images, etc. is a lot of work,
both for the people who produce it, and the people who will upgrade from Mageia 8
to Mageia 9 when it's released.

Mageia 8 support will continue for 3 months after Mageia 9 has been released. The
longer Mageia 9 is delayed, the longer Mageia 8 will be supported.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[Gilberto F da Silva]

On Tue, 05 Jul 2022 10:32:17 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
As to translations, if there are problems with Brazilian Portuguese, please
consider joining the translation team to help out. As an English only person
I can't help with that.

I completed the translation of the Mageia into Brazilian Portuguese.
Now someone remains to review the texts.

[Gilberto F da Silva]

On Tue, 05 Jul 2022 10:32:17 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

    The whole Mageia has languished . The Brazilian Portuguese Mageia
mailing list has not received any messages for years. I can only get
some help in English.

I strongly disagree that the whole of Mageia has languished. Security and bugfix
updates for Mageia 8 continue. Cauldron continues to be updated in preparation for
what will be Mageia 9.

I like the Mageia. I'm using it at the moment but I want to be
realistic. One indication of the loss of interest on the distribution is
it appears in position 57 in the distrowatch.

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
I like the Mageia. I'm using it at the moment but I want to be
realistic. One indication of the loss of interest on the distribution is
it appears in position 57 in the distrowatch.

Distrowatch is a popularity poll among distrowatch members who bother to respond
to their polls. No more, no less. It has no correlation to any distribution's
actual usage.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[TJ]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
One indication of the loss of interest on the distribution is
it appears in position 57 in the distrowatch.

They didn't ask me. If they had, I would have placed Mageia at the top
of my personal list, and the bottom, and the middle. Mageia is the only
distro I need, the only one I use, and the only one I want.

I rarely pay any attention to the "Top XX Widgets in 20XX" type of list.
I don't want what's popular, I want what gets the job done - for me.

TJ

[Gilberto F da Silva]

Post by TJ
They didn't ask me. If they had, I would have placed Mageia at the top
of my personal list, and the bottom, and the middle. Mageia is the only
distro I need, the only one I use, and the only one I want.
I rarely pay any attention to the "Top XX Widgets in 20XX" type of list.
I don't want what's popular, I want what gets the job done - for me.

They don't ask, just count the clicks. Each of the 100 distributions
listed there has its fans. The truth is that there is no objective and
reliable way to know the amount of users of each distribution.

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
They don't ask, just count the clicks. Each of the 100 distributions
listed there has its fans. The truth is that there is no objective and
reliable way to know the amount of users of each distribution.

Especially with Mageia. There is no "phone home" function built in to Mageia that
gathers user's info about the number or type of installs. We intentionally do not
try to collect statistics on the user base.

Getting iso images and updates is done through the mirrors, which Mageia has no
control over. The mirrorlist utility does contact Mageia to get info on which
mirrors are where, but using the mirrorlist is optional. I use specifically
chosen mirrors on most of my installs, so mirrorlist is not used on those installs.

The only info that is gathered is what's required to use online services such
as the mailing lists, forums, and things like bugzilla.

Gathering user info is useful for distributions that sell advertising, or want
to be able to brag about how many users they have, but is not needed for a
community built distribution. All that matters is keeping the community satisfied
so building and maintaining Mageia continues.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[TJ]

Post by David W. Hodgins
Gathering user info is useful for distributions that sell advertising, or want
to be able to brag about how many users they have, but is not needed for a
community built distribution. All that matters is keeping the community satisfied
so building and maintaining Mageia continues.

Agreed. For me, the Mageia community is the best thing about the distro.

I am an old farmer. I'm not a developer by any stretch of the
imagination, nor am I an especially proficient user. But from my first
gentle attempts to become part of Mageia, I was welcomed wholeheartedly
as a valued member, someone whose concerns and opinions were worth
consideration. And I've learned a LOT over the years.

I strongly suspect that had I gone to one of the bigger, more commercial
distros, the ones that get all the attention and are thus labeled as
more popular, my voice would have been lost in a sea of ordinary users,
to be essentially ignored.

I, for one, work hard at trying to keep the Mageia community just as
welcoming today.

TJ

[Gilberto F da Silva]

Post by TJ

Post by David W. Hodgins
Gathering user info is useful for distributions that sell advertising, or want
to be able to brag about how many users they have, but is not needed for a
community built distribution. All that matters is keeping the
community satisfied
so building and maintaining Mageia continues.

Agreed. For me, the Mageia community is the best thing about the distro.

I understand you. I felt this when I was using OS/2 in the late 90's and
early 2000's.

Right now I have 3 distributions installed on my computer.
openSUSE is the best distribution. Everything works, looks nice, and
there are a lot of packages. I'm in the Telegram group about the
distribution but I don't have much to do there.

In the Slackware group I answer questions and talk about distribution
directions and other things, people always respond.

I translate Mageia. Here I have what to do in the distribution.

[Gilberto F da Silva]

On Tue, 05 Jul 2022 20:08:42 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

    They don't ask, just count the clicks. Each of the 100 distributions
listed there has its fans. The truth is that there is no objective and
reliable way to know the amount of users of each distribution.

Especially with Mageia. There is no "phone home" function built in to Mageia that
gathers user's info about the number or type of installs. We
intentionally do not
try to collect statistics on the user base.

I've tried several times to use Debian but I can't like him. However it
has something I believe would be useful if other distributions
implemented. This is the contest software. It creates statistics on the
use of distribution software.

[Edward]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
I've tried several times to use Debian but I can't like him. However it
has something I believe would be useful if other distributions
implemented. This is the contest software. It creates statistics on the
use of distribution software.

Some years back, I used Debian on an old 32-bit laptop (manufactured in
2005). If I recall correctly, it used WiCD and for WiFi to work on the
laptop, I had to edit a particular file. With all other distros I used
on it until the laptop finally gave out, including (the original)
Mandriva, WiFi worked right out of the box.

Regards.

[Gilberto F da Silva]

Post by Edward

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
I've tried several times to use Debian but I can't like him. However it
has something I believe would be useful if other distributions
implemented. This is the contest software. It creates statistics on the
use of distribution software.

Some years back, I used Debian on an old 32-bit laptop (manufactured in
2005). If I recall correctly, it used WiCD and for WiFi to work on the
laptop, I had to edit a particular file. With all other distros I used
on it until the laptop finally gave out, including (the original)
Mandriva, WiFi worked right out of the box.

I still have the PowerPack 2010 Mandriva DVD. I recently installed it on
a virtual machine. Since MCC no longer works, there is nothing more
useful than doing with the Mandriva. It was in my plans to buy a
Powepack license annually. The plans had to be aborted as a result of
the closure of the company.

[Bobbie Sellers]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

Post by Edward

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
I've tried several times to use Debian but I can't like him. However it
has something I believe would be useful if other distributions
implemented. This is the contest software. It creates statistics on the
use of distribution software.

Some years back, I used Debian on an old 32-bit laptop (manufactured in
2005). If I recall correctly, it used WiCD and for WiFi to work on the
laptop, I had to edit a particular file. With all other distros I used
on it until the laptop finally gave out, including (the original)
Mandriva, WiFi worked right out of the box.

I still have the PowerPack 2010 Mandriva DVD. I recently installed it on
a virtual machine. Since MCC no longer works, there is nothing more
useful than doing with the Mandriva. It was in my plans to buy a
Powepack license annually. The plans had to be aborted as a result of
the closure of the company.

My experience was similar but it would not run on the machine i had at
the time. That was Mandrive 2011 PowerPack but then I started my
search for a replacement. I used PCLinuxOS then Mageia and after they
sorted out UEFI business I went back to PCLinuxOS. i decided I prefer
the Rolling Release model of updating. I have still have the 2006n
version which was shipped to me by a friend on a DVD and which I wrote
onto 6 CDs using a Windows XP laptop. I still have most of the
releases between 2006-2011. I could not get help to get the distro
working on my old Compaq/HP built with nVidia and a 4 core AMD machine.

bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS
the Perfect Computer Linus Opeating System(for me),
and a minor case of hypergraphia

[Gilberto F da Silva]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

Post by Edward

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
I've tried several times to use Debian but I can't like him. However it
has something I believe would be useful if other distributions
implemented. This is the contest software. It creates statistics on the
use of distribution software.

Some years back, I used Debian on an old 32-bit laptop (manufactured in
2005). If I recall correctly, it used WiCD and for WiFi to work on the
laptop, I had to edit a particular file. With all other distros I used
on it until the laptop finally gave out, including (the original)
Mandriva, WiFi worked right out of the box.

I still have the PowerPack 2010 Mandriva DVD. I recently installed it on
a virtual machine. Since MCC no longer works, there is nothing more
useful than doing with the Mandriva. It was in my plans to buy a
Powepack license annually. The plans had to be aborted as a result of
the closure of the company.

    My experience was similar but it would not run on the machine i had
at the time.  That was Mandrive 2011 PowerPack but then I started my
search for a replacement.  I used PCLinuxOS then Mageia and after they
sorted out UEFI business I went back to PCLinuxOS.  i decided I prefer
the Rolling Release model of updating.  I have still have the 2006n
onto 6 CDs  using a Windows XP laptop.  I still have most of the
releases between 2006-2011.  I could not get help to get the distro
working on my old Compaq/HP built with nVidia and a 4 core AMD machine.
    bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS
          the Perfect Computer Linus Opeating System(for me),
                 and a minor case of hypergraphia

I currently have 3 distributions on my computer. openSUSE Tumbleweed,
Slackware 15 and Mageia 8. Rolling Release distributions occasionally
have a problem. Packages are discontinued and we are surprised by
something that no longer works. In that case, I start another
distribution to finish my tasks and then come back to try to solve the
problem.

[Bobbie Sellers]

Post by TJ

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
One indication of the loss of interest on the distribution is
it appears in position 57 in the distrowatch.

They didn't ask me. If they had, I would have placed Mageia at the top
of my personal list, and the bottom, and the middle. Mageia is the only
distro I need, the only one I use, and the only one I want.
I rarely pay any attention to the "Top XX Widgets in 20XX" type of list.
I don't want what's popular, I want what gets the job done - for me.
TJ

You can submit your own reviews to Distrowatch if you love your
distribution so much. At PCLinuxOS Forum we remind people of such
matters once or twice a year.


bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS,
the Perfect Computer Linux Operating System(for me),
and a minor case of hypergraphia.

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by Bobbie Sellers
You can submit your own reviews to Distrowatch if you love your
distribution so much. At PCLinuxOS Forum we remind people of such
matters once or twice a year.

Or you can choose to ignore distrowatch and just get on with doing stuff that
matters. :-)

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[Gilberto F da Silva]

On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 10:52:42 -0400, Bobbie Sellers

    You can submit your own reviews to Distrowatch if you love your
distribution so much.  At PCLinuxOS Forum we remind people of such
matters once or twice a year.

Or you can choose to ignore distrowatch and just get on with doing stuff that
matters. :-)
Regards, Dave Hodgins

The amount of users matters. More users are more people to test and
report errors and even contribute some work to distribution.

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
The amount of users matters. More users are more people to test and
report errors and even contribute some work to distribution.

Perhaps, but getting users to vote for a distro on distrowatch is just making more
money for the company that runs distrowatch. It doesn't help the distro.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[Gilberto F da Silva]

On Sat, 09 Jul 2022 23:33:45 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
The amount of users matters. More users are more people to test and
report errors and even contribute some work to distribution.

Perhaps, but getting users to vote for a distro on distrowatch is just making more
money for the company that runs distrowatch. It doesn't help the distro.

I quote DistroWatch because it is the only place known to me that
provides some statistics on the number of users for distributions. I've
seen other people saying they don't like DistroWatch but have not
provided a better alternative even provided an alternative.

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
I quote DistroWatch because it is the only place known to me that
provides some statistics on the number of users for distributions. I've
seen other people saying they don't like DistroWatch but have not
provided a better alternative even provided an alternative.

How popular a distribution is according to distrowatch or any other web site has
nothing to do with how many people use the distribution.

Distributions like Mageia that value user privacy make no attempt to collect such
statistics. Since we don't sell advertising we would have no use for the info other
then bragging rights if we did collect it.

The best distribution for a new user is the one used by who ever will be helping
them learn the basics, or selected by word of mouth from people they trust. Once
they've learned the basics and how to handle new installations, their free to choose
for themselves. What I like may or may not be the same as what someone I help get
started will like. The most popular according to distrowatch may not fit with what
that person likes.

In my case I learned the basics on my own starting with asplinux, which I chose
because it could be installed under windows. Once I understood how linux handles
partitions and commands I tried a few distributions before settling on Mandrake
which became Mandriva. When Mageia forked from it I started with it with the
first alpha release, and have been using it since.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[Gilberto F da Silva]

On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 10:52:42 -0400, Bobbie Sellers

    You can submit your own reviews to Distrowatch if you love your
distribution so much.  At PCLinuxOS Forum we remind people of such
matters once or twice a year.

Or you can choose to ignore distrowatch and just get on with doing stuff that
matters. :-)
Regards, Dave Hodgins

The amount of users matters. More users are more people to test and
report errors and even contribute some work to distribution.

[Gilberto F da Silva]

On Tue, 05 Jul 2022 10:32:17 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

    The whole Mageia has languished . The Brazilian Portuguese Mageia
mailing list has not received any messages for years. I can only get
some help in English.

I strongly disagree that the whole of Mageia has languished. Security and bugfix
updates for Mageia 8 continue. Cauldron continues to be updated in preparation for
what will be Mageia 9.
There are known problems with drakx-net in some situations where network manager
or systemd-network work better, while in other situations drakx-net works better
then network manager. They each have their strengths and weaknesses.
As to translations, if there are problems with Brazilian Portuguese, please
consider joining the translation team to help out. As an English only person
I can't help with that.

The configuration of its location indicates Canada. Canada is a
bilingual country, I believed you spoke French as well.

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
The configuration of its location indicates Canada. Canada is a
bilingual country, I believed you spoke French as well.

Growing up in London, Ontario, in the early 1970s we had to take French classes
in grades 7 and 8 (ages 12 and 13). At that time there was a lack of teachers.
The teacher I had taught Parisian French, not Quebecois. Same language, but a
very different dialect.

In Ontario, there's around 15% of the population who are either Francophone or
Bi-lingual. Most of those are in the Eastern part of the province near the border
with Quebec, with the majority in Ottawa.

By time I moved to Montreal at 18, I'd forgotten most of it. In Montreal I lived in
predominately English areas, and worked in a multi-national corporation where all
work was done in English. I was in Montreal for 3 years before moving to Toronto, and
have since returned to London, Ontario.

What French I did learn, I've forgotten in the 40 years since I left Montreal.

When I was using French, I never learned to think in French so was always
translating in my mind, which makes conversations difficult.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[Gilberto F da Silva]

On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 01:36:19 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
The configuration of its location indicates Canada. Canada is a
bilingual country, I believed you spoke French as well.

Growing up in London, Ontario, in the early 1970s we had to take French classes
in grades 7 and 8 (ages 12 and 13). At that time there was a lack of teachers.
The teacher I had taught Parisian French, not Quebecois. Same language, but a
very different dialect.
In Ontario, there's around 15% of the population who are either Francophone or
Bi-lingual. Most of those are in the Eastern part of the province near the border
with Quebec, with the majority in Ottawa.
By time I moved to Montreal at 18, I'd forgotten most of it. In Montreal I lived in
predominately English areas, and worked in a multi-national corporation where all
work was done in English. I was in Montreal for 3 years before moving to Toronto, and
have since returned to London, Ontario.
What French I did learn, I've forgotten in the 40 years since I left Montreal.
When I was using French, I never learned to think in French so was always
translating in my mind, which makes conversations difficult.

This process of thinking about a language and trying to translate, in
addition to being laborious, tends to create wrong sentences. I can
understand texts in English from seeing things written in that language
so much, but I can't write.

[Bobbie Sellers]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 01:36:19 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
The configuration of its location indicates Canada. Canada is a
bilingual country, I believed you spoke French as well.

Growing up in London, Ontario, in the early 1970s we had to take French classes
in grades 7 and 8 (ages 12 and 13). At that time there was a lack of teachers.
The teacher I had taught Parisian French, not Quebecois. Same language, but a
very different dialect.
In Ontario, there's around 15% of the population who are either Francophone or
Bi-lingual. Most of those are in the Eastern part of the province near the border
with Quebec, with the majority in Ottawa.
By time I moved to Montreal at 18, I'd forgotten most of it. In Montreal I lived in
predominately English areas, and worked in a multi-national corporation where all
work was done in English. I was in Montreal for 3 years before moving to Toronto, and
have since returned to London, Ontario.
What French I did learn, I've forgotten in the 40 years since I left Montreal.
When I was using French, I never learned to think in French so was always
translating in my mind, which makes conversations difficult.

This process of thinking about a language and trying to translate, in
addition to being laborious, tends to create wrong sentences. I can
understand texts in English from seeing things written in that language
so much, but I can't write.

But you just did a great job on that last paragraph.

bliss - conserving electrons.

[Daniel65]

David W. Hodgins wrote on 11/7/22 2:51 am:

<Snip>

Post by David W. Hodgins
When I was using French, I never learned to think in French so was
always translating in my mind, which makes conversations difficult.
Regards, Dave Hodgins

Sounds like a good Storyline for a Film, what was it .... 'Firefox'
where Clint Eastwood's character was thought the only person capable of
stealing the latest Russian MIG jet, which was thought controlled and
Clint's character, having been brought up in Russia, thought in Russian!

My languages experience .....

Back in the Post-WWII/Baby Boomer days, my Primary School was short on
for space so, for Grade Six, the boys were sent over the road to the
Secondary School.

In Grade Six, there, we did Introductory Classes in French and Latin
(Yes, they were Roman Catholic schools!!). If you did any good with the
languages, you continued in that stream. Otherwise you did a more
Maths/Science based stream, which I did!

About the only French I remember from Grade Six is counting from One to
Ten .... which has been highly useful to me in life ..... NOT!! ;-P

[Gilberto F da Silva]

Post by Daniel65
<Snip>

Post by David W. Hodgins
When I was using French, I never learned to think in French so was
always translating in my mind, which makes conversations difficult.
Regards, Dave Hodgins

Sounds like a good Storyline for a Film, what was it .... 'Firefox'
where Clint Eastwood's character was thought the only person capable of
stealing the latest Russian MIG jet, which was thought controlled and
Clint's character, having been brought up in Russia, thought in Russian!

Wow! I also remembered this movie but I didn't remember the name
anymore. The movie is kind of boring but this detail of having to think
directly on the other language was striking. When I write in Esperanto I
try to form the sentences with the words that are already in my
vocabulary. I use Google Translate to check how the translation is to my
native language.

[Gilberto F da Silva]

Post by Daniel65
<Snip>

Post by David W. Hodgins
When I was using French, I never learned to think in French so was
always translating in my mind, which makes conversations difficult.
Regards, Dave Hodgins

Sounds like a good Storyline for a Film, what was it .... 'Firefox'
where Clint Eastwood's character was thought the only person capable of
stealing the latest Russian MIG jet, which was thought controlled and
Clint's character, having been brought up in Russia, thought in Russian!
My languages experience .....
Back in the Post-WWII/Baby Boomer days, my Primary School was short on
for space so, for Grade Six, the boys were sent over the road to the
Secondary School.
In Grade Six, there, we did Introductory Classes in French and Latin
(Yes, they were Roman Catholic schools!!). If you did any good with the
languages, you continued in that stream. Otherwise you did a more
Maths/Science based stream, which I did!
About the only French I remember from Grade Six is counting from One to
Ten .... which has been highly useful to me in life ..... NOT!! ;-P

For those born in environments whose English is the language, must
consider the other almost useless languages. Anywhere in the galaxy to
which Enterprise goes, everyone speaks English. Back to land, airlines,
airports, tourist places, technical manuals, data sheets etc is all in
English. For English speakers, other languages are less useful than
their own.

[Bobbie Sellers]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

Post by Daniel65
<Snip>

Post by David W. Hodgins
When I was using French, I never learned to think in French so was
always translating in my mind, which makes conversations difficult.
Regards, Dave Hodgins

Sounds like a good Storyline for a Film, what was it .... 'Firefox'
where Clint Eastwood's character was thought the only person capable of
stealing the latest Russian MIG jet, which was thought controlled and
Clint's character, having been brought up in Russia, thought in Russian!
My languages experience .....
Back in the Post-WWII/Baby Boomer days, my Primary School was short on
for space so, for Grade Six, the boys were sent over the road to the
Secondary School.
In Grade Six, there, we did Introductory Classes in French and Latin
(Yes, they were Roman Catholic schools!!). If you did any good with the
languages, you continued in that stream. Otherwise you did a more
Maths/Science based stream, which I did!
About the only French I remember from Grade Six is counting from One to
Ten .... which has been highly useful to me in life ..... NOT!! ;-P

For those born in environments whose English is the language, must
consider the other almost useless languages. Anywhere in the galaxy to
which Enterprise goes, everyone speaks English. Back to land, airlines,
airports, tourist places, technical manuals, data sheets etc is all in
English. For English speakers, other languages are less useful than
their own.

Actually that is for the English speaking audience. In real ST life
they are using a derivative of Esperanto. I don't have the time
to read everything I want to read in Engllish so I set the others aside
looking for the English translations of Foreign books. I wish I
could read Japanese for example but trying to learn some years back
I found my intellect had deteriorated. Lots of young people are
learning Japanese and/or Chinese here in San Francisco to pursue
their entertainment interests. Also Chinese is useful here in the
Chinatown markets and other situations.

bliss - adios

[Gilberto F da Silva]

Post by William Unruh
You could try Network Manager or even the systemd networking tools.
Unfortunately I can give no guidance on those.

I have two other distributions installed on this computer.

In Slackware 15 all I have to do to access the wifi network is click on
the network icon, choose the network and provide the password. In the
previous version I needed to give permissions to the rc.networkmanager
file but the knowledge about Slackware doesn't help to solve the problem
with the Mageia distribution as Slackware doesn't use systemd.

openSUSE Tumbleweed uses systemd but I don't need to go into detail
about how it works. I just need to choose the network and provide the
password.

Providing a means of connecting to the internet is one of the most
basic functions of an operating system. I hoped this was already resolved.

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

Post by William Unruh
You could try Network Manager or even the systemd networking tools.
Unfortunately I can give no guidance on those.

I have two other distributions installed on this computer.
In Slackware 15 all I have to do to access the wifi network is click on
the network icon, choose the network and provide the password. In the
previous version I needed to give permissions to the rc.networkmanager
file but the knowledge about Slackware doesn't help to solve the problem
with the Mageia distribution as Slackware doesn't use systemd.
openSUSE Tumbleweed uses systemd but I don't need to go into detail
about how it works. I just need to choose the network and provide the
password.
Providing a means of connecting to the internet is one of the most
basic functions of an operating system. I hoped this was already resolved.

You should probably try a Mageia 8 gnome live iso to see if that works properly
in your situation. Gnome uses networkmanager by default rather then drakx-net.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[Gilberto F da Silva]

On Tue, 05 Jul 2022 11:23:41 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by William Unruh
You could try Network Manager or even the systemd networking tools.
Unfortunately I can give no guidance on those.

    I have two other distributions installed on this computer.
    In Slackware 15 all I have to do to access the wifi network is
click on
the network icon, choose the network and provide the password. In the
previous version I needed to give permissions to the rc.networkmanager
file but the knowledge about Slackware doesn't help to solve the problem
with the Mageia distribution as Slackware doesn't use systemd.
    openSUSE Tumbleweed uses systemd but I don't need to go into detail
about how it works. I just need to choose the network and provide the
password.
    Providing a means of connecting to the internet is one of the most
basic functions of an operating system. I hoped this was already resolved.

You should probably try a Mageia 8 gnome live iso to see if that works properly
in your situation. Gnome uses networkmanager by default rather then drakx-net.

I used the instructions here:
https://wiki.mageia.org/en/switching_to_NETWARKMANAGER Link indicated by
Marja Van Waes. Now the wireless connection is working.

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
https://wiki.mageia.org/en/switching_to_NETWARKMANAGER Link indicated by
Marja Van Waes. Now the wireless connection is working.

Glad it's working.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[red floyd]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

On Tue, 05 Jul 2022 11:23:41 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by William Unruh
You could try Network Manager or even the systemd networking tools.
Unfortunately I can give no guidance on those.

    I have two other distributions installed on this computer.
    In Slackware 15 all I have to do to access the wifi network is
click on
the network icon, choose the network and provide the password. In the
previous version I needed to give permissions to the rc.networkmanager
file but the knowledge about Slackware doesn't help to solve the problem
with the Mageia distribution as Slackware doesn't use systemd.
    openSUSE Tumbleweed uses systemd but I don't need to go into detail
about how it works. I just need to choose the network and provide the
password.
    Providing a means of connecting to the internet is one of the most
basic functions of an operating system. I hoped this was already resolved.

You should probably try a Mageia 8 gnome live iso to see if that works properly
in your situation. Gnome uses networkmanager by default rather then drakx-net.

https://wiki.mageia.org/en/switching_to_NETWARKMANAGER Link indicated by
Marja Van Waes. Now the wireless connection is working.

Corrected link: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Switching_to_networkmanager

[William Unruh]

On Tue, 05 Jul 2022 11:23:41 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by William Unruh
You could try Network Manager or even the systemd networking tools.
Unfortunately I can give no guidance on those.

I recently installed wpa_supplicant 2.10-2 from cauldron, recompiled for
Mga8. The readme says that it has improved the choice of the BSSID for a
given SSID, and it seems to have improved the choice by more often
picking a strong signal over weak signals (it used to be that
wpa_supplicant would randomly pick the BSSID to try to connect to, and
thus would usually pick weak signals over strong ones-- maing the
connection rather falky. It would also pick the first ssid in
wpa_supplicant that it could see over the one you told it to use. I do
not know if the latter probem is fixed-- I hacked
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-eth to make a new
wpa_supplicant.conf containing only the selected SSID in
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/wireless.d so wpa_supplicant only kknew
about the selected ssid, and I have not tested the new wpa_supplicant to
see if it is better behaved front.
Anyway network-center does seem to work better with the new version.
I also hacked
/lib/libDrakX/network/connection/wireless.pm to replace wext with
nl80211 and have it run sudo from the network-center icon
sudo /usr/bin/draknetcenter
so that it uses wpa_cli instead of iwlist (because it is running as
root-- monitor.pm checks and if it are running as root, it uses wpa_cli
rather than iwlist-- wpa_cli only works for root)

[red floyd]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

On Tue, 05 Jul 2022 11:23:41 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by William Unruh
You could try Network Manager or even the systemd networking tools.
Unfortunately I can give no guidance on those.

     I have two other distributions installed on this computer.
     In Slackware 15 all I have to do to access the wifi network is
click on
the network icon, choose the network and provide the password. In the
previous version I needed to give permissions to the rc.networkmanager
file but the knowledge about Slackware doesn't help to solve the problem
with the Mageia distribution as Slackware doesn't use systemd.
     openSUSE Tumbleweed uses systemd but I don't need to go into
detail
about how it works. I just need to choose the network and provide the
password.
     Providing a means of connecting to the internet is one of the most
basic functions of an operating system. I hoped this was already resolved.

You should probably try a Mageia 8 gnome live iso to see if that works properly
in your situation. Gnome uses networkmanager by default rather then drakx-net.

https://wiki.mageia.org/en/switching_to_NETWARKMANAGER Link indicated by
Marja Van Waes. Now the wireless connection is working.

Corrected link:  https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Switching_to_networkmanager

Dammit, I followed the instructions there, and I nuked my installation.
It boots up, but I get a black screen on boot. Any ideas on how to recover?

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by red floyd
Dammit, I followed the instructions there, and I nuked my installation.
It boots up, but I get a black screen on boot. Any ideas on how to recover?

Something else must have been changed too.

Boot to run level 3 (aka multi-user.target) by editing the kernel parameters at
boot. Append " 3" (without the quotes) and remove (if present) the options splash
and quiet.

Login and try startx. If that fails check "journalctl -b --no-h" for messages
indicating what's failing.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[red floyd]

Post by David W. Hodgins

Post by red floyd
Dammit, I followed the instructions there, and I nuked my installation.
It boots up, but I get a black screen on boot.  Any ideas on how to
recover?

Something else must have been changed too.
Boot to run level 3 (aka multi-user.target) by editing the kernel parameters at
boot. Append " 3" (without the quotes) and remove (if present) the options splash
and quiet.
Login and try startx. If that fails check "journalctl -b --no-h" for messages
indicating what's failing.

That works. So it's something in the runlevel 5 stuff in systemd.
Dammit, I wish for sysvinit because then I could debug it without help.

[David W. Hodgins]

Post by red floyd
That works. So it's something in the runlevel 5 stuff in systemd.
Dammit, I wish for sysvinit because then I could debug it without help.

That means it's sddm or whichever display manager is being used.

As root, "journalctl -b -1 --no-h" should show the journal from the boot
where it failed to start the display manager. Use -2 or -3 if you've booted
more than once since the failed display manager startup.

There should be something to indicate why it failed.

Once you get used to it systemd is better for debugging. Info from early in the
boot is not lost like it was with sysvinit and things work in a much more
consistent way.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[Gilberto F da Silva]

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

On Tue, 05 Jul 2022 11:23:41 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

Post by William Unruh
You could try Network Manager or even the systemd networking
tools. Unfortunately I can give no guidance on those.

I have two other distributions installed on this computer.
In Slackware 15 all I have to do to access the wifi network is
click on the network icon, choose the network and provide the
password. In the previous version I needed to give permissions
to the rc.networkmanager file but the knowledge about Slackware
doesn't help to solve the problem with the Mageia distribution
as Slackware doesn't use systemd.
openSUSE Tumbleweed uses systemd but I don't need to go into
detail about how it works. I just need to choose the network
and provide the password.
Providing a means of connecting to the internet is one of the
most basic functions of an operating system. I hoped this was
already resolved.

You should probably try a Mageia 8 gnome live iso to see if that
works properly in your situation. Gnome uses networkmanager by
default rather then drakx-net.

https://wiki.mageia.org/en/switching_to_NETWARKMANAGER Link
indicated by Marja Van Waes. Now the wireless connection is
working.

I tried to follow that link again after installing Mageia 8 on an SSD
but that link doesn't work anymore.

- --

Abraços

Gilberto F da Silva

[David W. Hodgins]

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Post by Gilberto F da Silva

On Tue, 05 Jul 2022 11:23:41 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

Post by Gilberto F da Silva

Post by William Unruh
You could try Network Manager or even the systemd networking
tools. Unfortunately I can give no guidance on those.

I have two other distributions installed on this computer.
In Slackware 15 all I have to do to access the wifi network is
click on the network icon, choose the network and provide the
password. In the previous version I needed to give permissions
to the rc.networkmanager file but the knowledge about Slackware
doesn't help to solve the problem with the Mageia distribution
as Slackware doesn't use systemd.
openSUSE Tumbleweed uses systemd but I don't need to go into
detail about how it works. I just need to choose the network
and provide the password.
Providing a means of connecting to the internet is one of the
most basic functions of an operating system. I hoped this was
already resolved.

You should probably try a Mageia 8 gnome live iso to see if that
works properly in your situation. Gnome uses networkmanager by
default rather then drakx-net.

https://wiki.mageia.org/en/switching_to_NETWARKMANAGER Link
indicated by Marja Van Waes. Now the wireless connection is
working.

I tried to follow that link again after installing Mageia 8 on an SSD
but that link doesn't work anymore.

The link should be https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Switching_to_networkmanager

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[William Unruh]

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Post by Gilberto F da Silva

On Tue, 05 Jul 2022 11:23:41 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva

....

Post by Gilberto F da Silva
https://wiki.mageia.org/en/switching_to_NETWARKMANAGER Link
indicated by Marja Van Waes. Now the wireless connection is
working.

I tried to follow that link again after installing Mageia 8 on an SSD
but that link doesn't work anymore.

Try
https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Switching_to_networkmanager
It still works.